RACHEL RABBIT WHITE — Your fame means something to a lot of overlapping New York underground communities. You grew up here. You’ve been known as an artist for years, a downtown icon, and you’ve been so open about your past career as a dominatrix. So when Uncut Gems came out, that was all over the press, and in the New York City sex work community that created a buzz, like she’s one of us, and she’s really doing it.
JULIA FOX — It’s always been in the back of my mind… Just that I’ve been given these opportunities when that just doesn’t happen for a lot of sex workers. It’s that people don’t take you seriously if you’re a creative and also a sex worker… I wish I could go back in time and tell myself ten years ago things are going to turn around for you and you’ll be seen finally. At the time, I didn’t have high hopes but I was optimistic. I knew I didn’t want to be in the sex industry forever but I really didn’t know how I would get out, I didn’t have a plan. I’m really grateful for how everything happened organically.
RRW — It was so exciting to have an actual Hollywood It-girl who was open about having been a sex worker. I do think attitudes are slowly getting there but more slowly than they should be.
JF — Well, for instance, after a movie like Uncut Gems, I probably should have gotten some sort of brand deal, whether Chanel or something like that. But you know, that didn’t happen. And I’m sure that it’s because I don’t have the cleanest image. And it’s like, well, I’m a real fucking bitch and that’s what people want nowadays. It’s like—and you get it—I honestly feel like they’d be lucky to have someone like me to endorse them, you know what I mean? Like, they’re just not there yet I feel. But you know, for sex workers, Cardi B is like, a great example. Like, she’s really doing her thing. That’s huge for, you know, a stripper to come out and now be like fucking Cardi B. So, I feel like, you know, music now has accepted it. Hopefully film and television will become a little more accepting.
RRW — Completely. I’m looking it …….